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« on: May 10, 2016, 12:32:35 PM »
 

Taylor D.C.

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Just trying to gather some information here, no matter how dim it may make me seem as I want to, and more than likely will, be supporting Adam's run for presidency in 2020. But what happens in the event of the dissolution of the federal government to the constitution? In other words, how do we protect ourselves from cops who won't immediately stand down and will still throw us in jail for unconstitutional reasons?

Also, will there be any affect on healthcare? I understand state governments handle the details of healthcare per each state but i guess what I'm getting to is that if the federal government is gone will i still be able to use my health savings account for emergencies or will all hospital bills then be out of pocket costs?
 

Re: Questions for Adam
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2016, 03:52:21 PM »
 

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To answer your first question, the Constitution would become a document that people no longer use.  Just like the Articles of Confederation or any other outdated document that is no longer needed.  The purpose of the Constitution is to enumerate the powers of the federal government, so without a federal government, the Constitution has no purpose or meaning.

As for police, you'd do the same to protect yourself from them as you would for anyone else trying to wrongfully imprison you.  Most police, though, derive their power from municipality, county, or state governments, not the federal government.  If the federal government was dissolved, then any federal law enforcement agencies, such as the FBI, ATF, etc., would cease to exist as well, so, if any individuals formerly tied to those organizations tried to attack you, the question is:  What would you do about it?

Your questions about healthcare all seem very contingent upon the assumption that money will continue to operate in the same way.  Let me assure you that without the constant threat of military force, the dollar will completely collapse.  As it should.  Its value is derived from nothing but the threat of violence.  The collapse of the dollar is inevitable, though, in any case.  We are a nation of debtors, printing money with no backing to pay those debts.  If you understand economics, you'll see that this is not a trend that can continue indefinitely.  Sooner or later, any sort of savings you have that are in dollars, or dollar-backed currency, will lose their value.

How will that affect healthcare?  Well, it depends on the general quality of morality that your local heathcare providers have.  I suspect that one side effect of this will be that a 20-minute ride in an ambulance will cost significantly less than a year's earnings, as will many other currently expensive medical procedures.  Most of the current problems with our healthcare system are tied directly to the insurance companies (that's why the ACA, which requires everyone to be their customers, is so absurd).  So, currently, every time you pay for healthcare, you're not just paying for the services you've used, but also for many layers of bureaucracy within the healthcare system and the insurance companies.  We have leeches sucking profit out of the system without actually contributing anything to it; without them, everything will be significantly less expensive.

The federal government and, by extension, the president, have no power to dissolve state governments.  What states do after that is entirely up to the people of each state to decide for themselves.  The purpose of Adam's plan is to move the bases of power closer to the people, starting at the top.  The few legitimate purposes that the federal government serves are, largely, redundant, which is why it can pretty safely and quickly be dissolved.

I think that it will take much longer to move away from state and local governments in a way that will be minimally harmful to people that have become reliant upon government for their basic needs.  Before we can safely do away with the governments closer to us, we need to ensure that our neighbors are ready to take care of themselves, which will take time.

Does that all make sense?  Do you have any other questions?
 

Re: Questions for Adam
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2016, 06:22:41 PM »
 

AndrewG

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Very well put sir!
Malo Periculosam Libertatem Quam Quietum Servitium
 

Re: Questions for Adam
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2016, 06:43:37 PM »
 

Taylor D.C.

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That 100% answers my questions. I can't thank you enough for your time and consideration. I will most definitely have more questions coming, however, I'm at work right now so they will come in due time. Thank you again.
 

Re: Questions for Adam
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2016, 10:06:49 PM »
 

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No problem.  I love to talk about freedom!   ;)  Of course, I am speaking for myself and my own interpretations, but I really like Adam's "top-down" approach towards freeing us.  It seems like the most responsible and productive way, to me.

Frankly, I feel like a collapse of some sort is inevitable.  Hyper-inflation of the dollar seems likely at some point, but a natural disaster could push things past their breaking point as well.  In a situation like that, sudden calamity striking, I worry about the consequences.  I see the potential for a great deal of destruction and cultural regression.  What might arise from that could be beautiful, but it could terrible as well.  With a controlled, non-violent shift towards freedom, I think we stand a much better chance of creating the world that we want.

As for what the world will look like, my interpretation of anarchy and voluntarism is that it will look like anything a group of consenting people want it to look like for themselves.  I don't think there will be a single model, such as anarcho-capitalism or moneyless socialism, that everyone follows.  I get real squirrelly when people tell me exactly what anarchy will be for everyone.  The only universal socio-political truth that I believe is that there is no single way for all people to live, nor should there be.
 

Re: Questions for Adam
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2016, 04:34:42 PM »
 

Taylor D.C.

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How does the actually dissolving of the government start? Is it some sort of executive order issued by the president? So people just start getting fired until it's collapsed? I'm not too educated on the specifics of it so i just need to know how to educate other people on what exactly this top-down approach consists of.
 

Re: Questions for Adam
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2016, 07:41:19 PM »
 

Magnaniman

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I don't know what Adam's plan is, but Dr. Marc Alan Feldman, a Libertarian presidential candidate had an interesting approach.  He proposes to start by allowing donations to charities to count as taxes paid.  Eventually, he says, that will lead to the dissolution of the IRS and the obligations and services of the federal government being shouldered directly by the people.  He's definitely working on a much more gradual time table than Adam's four years, but it's an interesting idea nonetheless.
 

Re: Questions for Adam
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2016, 07:35:40 PM »
 

Adam Kokesh

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Magnaniman - WOW! Can I hire you to be me? Great answers.

Taylor -
"But what happens in the event of the dissolution of the federal government to the constitution? In other words, how do we protect ourselves from cops who won't immediately stand down and will still throw us in jail for unconstitutional reasons?"
The Constitution is only as relevant as people make it, and right now, it's only relevant for justifying power, not as an effective check on it. I've been arrested more than several times by police acting contrary to the Constitution, and never once did that piece of paper fly in and intervene. What the police do is determined by what the people support and tolerate, not what the paper giving them an excuse to do it says.
"Also, will there be any affect on healthcare?"
Magnaniman's answer here is great. Healthcare will immediately be much cheaper, and there will be much better ways to pay for it. We can only predict just how much better, as without federal regulation in the way, long-stifled entrepreneurship will finally be let loose on the healthcare industry.
"How does the actually dissolving of the government start?"
It starts right now by withdrawing your consent and support! As for the administrative process, whomever is elected on this platform will have a very specific mandate. There are a lot of gradual plans, but mine is the ethical one that immediately absolves the government of any authority by executive order. By the time anyone could be elected on this platform, the dollar will be useless, so it's hard to predict how much government will actually be left. I imagine this will be a matter of picking up the pieces, cleaning up the mess, and giving the land back to the people as equitably as possible. Please see my thread on the "Freedom Dream Team" for a bit more of the specifics. http://thefreedomline.com/forums/index.php?topic=665.0
Just read the book.
 

Re: Questions for Adam
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2016, 01:48:31 AM »
 

Magnaniman

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Haha!  Thanks, Adam.  I'll need to do some more pushups, but I've got the pseudo-scruffy, "I use the #1 attachment on my clippers for my entire head" look going on already.

Do you really think that it will take the self-inflicted collapse of the government for people to fully begin to realize voluntarism en masse?  I recognize that you are trying to make it work the other way around, but I guess I was hoping for more gung-ho optimism...