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However, because the child's existence is the consequence of the parents' actions and because it is completely dependent on others for survival, I'll just say that the parents are obligated to provide for the child in order to avoid causing harm.

I would say that the parents have an obligation, but not that they have to provide for the child, but rather they need to assure that the child will be provided for.  I might even go a step further to say it's the obligation of all in contact with that child to make sure their needs are being met and rights upheld. 

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International Support / Re: FREEDOM in the UK!
« on: June 24, 2016, 07:43:11 PM »
Hey v3yrons!  It seems Freedom! is being talked about a little bit there!  Great step today.  Keep waking people up...something is definitely happening!!!

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Current Events / Hijacking trending # and creating
« on: June 24, 2016, 04:09:06 PM »
Popular social media shares are an easy way to get people talking and steering them towards the solutions they are looking for.  It takes more than one message and the message needs to be different based on where they are in the process of "waking up.

Take #Brexit for example:  Cheer to the masses how great this development is and FINALLY a step in the right direction.

You could expand on that if you want, but I find it better to make the statement and then engage once people are responding.

I also have an idea of spreading a message that will funnel back to a new website talking about how government is the problem and the absence is the solution.  I'm on vacation so I won't have time this weekend to research, but some ideas would be to use #peaceispossible, #peaceisinevitable, #peacewithoutgovernment.  Just looking at these or any hashtags that are similar may already have campaigns that are happening...this is great because we can bring them a solution beacause they probably don't have any solid plans on how to achieve peace.

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Current Events / Re: Libertarian Town Hall
« on: June 24, 2016, 04:10:55 AM »
Unfortunately tens of millions still believe mass media is a good source for need. 

As such, I don't think any sound argument against the state would ever be allowed to broadcast through any of these outlets.

They've branded them all as biased stations to attempt to hide the fact that they are just propaganda.  It does seem like a lot of the journalists are getting bored with being told what to write and say, however, which is making easier to expose this as propaganda to the sheep.

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Likewise, Magnaniman  :D.  To narrow down the definition of causing fear: the threat of violence against someone or a group of people.  This could include verbal threats as well as repeated acts of aggression.  Justice would be the basis for determining the next steps.  A serial killer would be handled different than a burglar which would be handled differently than a rapist. 

Hi Mike.  I don't see an island exile as viable considering it would need to be uninhabited at the start.  Maybe there are some livable, uninhabited islands left.  I also don't see the benefit for anyone, including the offenders, to isolate them all together.  If an individual clearly can't live amongst other humans peacefully, why would we expect that they could accomplish that together?  My initial thoughts would be to send them to an "institution" (for lack of a better word) to live with people that specialize in working with someone like this.  There would probably only be 1 violent offender there at a time.  The conditions would have to be such that they are allowed to move about the property freely, but at the same time not allowed to leave which still feels like incarceration to me. 


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Very well thought out, Magnaniman.  I agree with each step and agree that forgiveness will be the cornerstone in dealing with violations of NAP.  A dispute resolution team would serve as consultants to the parties involved.  If the offender is not going to make amends they could provide possible courses of action and make a determination on the chosen course of action by the community.  No one would be granted privileges beyond what NAP would provide to anyone.   

I don't see the forced removal of a serial killer, which may very well end up in death during the exile, would violate NAP.  If someone or even a group of people were killing community members they would be terrorizing the remaining citizens.  Causing anyone to live in fear of their life is a violation of NAP and self defense would apply in this case.  Even though a physical act of aggression may not be happening at the moment, creating and sustaining these conditions is still an act of aggression. 

I am still learning the philosophy, but it was like an epiphany when it fully made sense to me.  I have been applying the principles in my interactions with everyone.  I have noticed that I haven't held any judgments against others making these interactions much more pleasant.  I was watching Game of Thrones and watched the violence of an army battle with sadness and disgust wheras I would have seen it as tense and exhilarating before.  The shift in conscious is profound to say the least. 

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Regarding edit 2, I agree that if the goal were to just shoot him why not just do it at the onset - which would be an obvious violation of nap.  I think it would be a good exercise to address each hypothetical in order to create a guidebook to help people follow in the future, which would be added to as actual cases are recorded (as factually possible). There are so many variables involved including who the actors in the original act were, as well as the extended community.  The embargo may only be for a temporary house arrest situation to get an active dispute resolution team in place.  Retribution can be forced property seizure and the murderer may be deemed to dangerous for society.

Essentially, we would need to attempt to put together hypothetical guidelines to help each other apply to the numerous situations that could potentially rise, which would probably be multiple sources.  I do feel that when people collaborate when all have a strong conviction to following NAP, group think will not devolve to lynching, but rather find a reasonable resolution to any problem that arises.

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Living FREEDOM! / Re: Harmonious thriving communities
« on: June 22, 2016, 10:30:18 AM »
I think that it is going to be up to us to provide these tangible examples.  In fact, I think it will be part of a natural progression as we accept the responsibility to start living these principles and not just talking about them.  It will be much safer to live according to these principles in close proximity to others doing the same as opposed to being an island in the middle of statists.

I have been watching the development of a forming community called "One Community Ranch".  They are organizing as a sovereign community which is owned by the whole and requiring unanimous votes for issues and requiring 40 hours of labor in which the member signs up for what they want to work on each week.  While they don't specifically address the NAP, I do think they are creating a lot of good ideas on how to live and everything they are doing is going to be open source. 

All that being said, they have yet to officially move onto the site so it is still just theory, but they have been collaborating together for quite a while. 

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I do agree that the party has strayed from the principles it has set forth in its platform.  The inherent problem is the same as that of government.  By calling it a party, it becomes a collective.  While the term "party" may be necessary to operate under the rules imposed by the state, it does not need to become the identity.  The only way I see it working is if individuals agree to collaborate voluntarily to adhere to these principles (which is what they agree to by becoming a party member).  This means living these principles as much as possible while maintaining self-preservation and avoiding conflict with those that claim authority. 

If we start to live what we believe, we will create tangible proof to skeptics, to see that it is possible and that we will not devolve into chaos (why are there so many tv shows and movies depicting this???). 

I am speaking with an outside perspective and acknowledge some of my assumptions about the LP may be incorrect.

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Yes, those seeking power exploit legitimate needs in order to gain that power.  However, that does not refute anything I said.

Say that you're living in a completely free society where people generally try to adhere to the NAP as closely as possible.  One day, a cold-blooded murder is committed and the victim was unable to successfully defend him or herself.  What happens next?

One day, a drunk driver hits another car with a family in it, kills the father and one of the kids, the other kid is paralyzed from the waist down, and the other father (it's a gay family) loses an eye.  All video evidence shows that it was the drunk driver's fault, by any objective standard.  The drunk driver refuses to voluntarily help the survivors in any way.  What happens next?

I love the questions you pose and points you bring up.  It really gets me to step back and think critically.  At this stage in our evolution I do not think we have the wisdom to be able to answer that.  I believe we will gain that wisdom allowing us to handle these situations according to NAP.  Anything that we say now would be more theory.  This doesn't mean I am copping out, I will offer a theory and accept that it may be flawed.

The victim's rights were infringed upon, and as such has the right to be made whole.  Violence and incarceration would not make the victim whole, it would just create another victim.  Since these offenders are not voluntarily following with the appropriate actions to make their victims whole, they are still infringing on the victim's rights.  The victim(s) are justified in taking action to be made whole and/or compensated.  The next step would be to determine what would be proper compensation to the victim. 

I think this would be the stage where the two hypotheticals would begin.  The local community would be very aware of what had happened and cease trade and communication with and deny right of passage on their property to the offender.  This would not be obligated, but in not doing so may be deemed a violation of the victim's rights, thus bringing a potential claim against them.  Essentially, the offender would be ostracized and any attempt to leave their property would be considered an act of aggression.  Of course, if the offender is totally self sufficient, it could remain at this state for the rest of their life.  Total social isolation is crippling to a human and I don't see that happening, but if it did the victim or victim's heirs would still have the right to compensation which would come from the property left behind by the offender. 

That was very difficult to write because there are so many possibilities in regards to different courses of action the involved parties could take, but at every point the NAP would need to be adhered to.  Anytime that principle is violated, a victim would have a claim to be made whole.  By claiming the right to own yourself, you must respect that right in everyone else in order for the first clause to be true.

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Living FREEDOM! / Re: Child board suggestion: Surveillance State
« on: June 21, 2016, 08:39:15 PM »
I would love to hear more on this topic along with how to protect yourself and your privacy.  ie. which search engines aren't tracking, secure email, VPN services, browsers, etc. as most of my work will be done via the internet and I want to be as under the radar as possible while achieving the maximum impact I can. 

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Illinois / Re: Illinois State Organization
« on: June 21, 2016, 08:25:30 PM »
Hi Adam,

I volunteer to help organize Lake & McHenry counties in Illinois.  I can also assist with Kenosha, Racine and Walworth counties in Wisconsin based on my central location to all of them.  For now, I can be contacted at freedomisourdestiny@tutanota.com

I plan on creating a blog in the near future.  I'm still in the brainstorming phase on that.  I am excited to be able to meet and discuss these ideas face to face with people from my area and would love ideas on how to start this up.  In the meantime I will participate in this forum and continue to educate myself.

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Viral videos using something like Vine.  The time restriction really helps to focus the content on what matters.  Different content creators can use different themes such as humor, or motivational, or rant, or artistic, etc.  People love to share videos.


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Current Events / Re: Libertarian Party follows path of Tea Party
« on: June 21, 2016, 07:05:49 PM »

I prefer DuckDuckGo. I'm sure someone will be helpful here and reply with the other search engine that's even more ostensibly dedicated to privacy and sense (please?). I just prefer ddg's output to the one I'll be reminded of. That's all.

Pleasure to make your acquaintance, roarde.  I agree regarding DuckDuckGo and it is my preferred search engine.  I brought those up because that information was shared in a video on YouTube on the Anonymous Official channel 3 days ago.  I tested it myself and got the same results they showed.  They did analyze potential negative Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump searches and found no irregularities with either one.

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Also, morality and ethics are restraints on guttural instincts which allow us to live good lives (where good is defined by adherence to a given moral theory). I disagree that the only true morality is survival because acting only in the interest of personal survival removes any ethical constraints from our actions. The NAP is an example of an ethical code which restricts certain actions from all interactions as a universal principle. As such, the foundation of Libertarian ethics is not based on survival but based on mutual respect for self-ownership.


Owl, I agree that the ethics can only be placed on the mutual respect for self-ownership.  If it were based on survival, one would be forced to stop a community that voluntarily chose to stop procreation.  This would be an obvious infringement on their rights as individuals.  Mutual respect would allow for you to speak with them and try to persuade them as long as they were willing to communicate with you.

As far as children, I think calling them property of the parents, even just in infancy, would be a direct violation of the NAP.  I think as humans, we have a large capacity for compassion and we understand that we all begin and likely end our lives in a state of dependency on others.  I do think it is the parents' right to assume responsibility for the caregiving of their child, but if found in a situation where the parents are incapable or unwilling to provide for the child, they would forfeit that right based on the idea that they have put another human in harm's way.  Ideally, another family member, or close friend would be able to assume the responsibilty and in more complicated cases something such as a dispute resolution firm specializing in these matters may be called upon.


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