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Living FREEDOM! / Re: Nonviolent Communication

« on: July 14, 2016, 05:16:45 PM »

Bob-rob,

It appears you may have missed some things regarding NVC... He uses the word need just to refer to the metaphysical needs all humans have. We all recognize that humans have the same physical needs. Rosenberg simply expanded the term need to include the metaphysical which we also all have in common.

To say that you need $100 for medicine for your wife is confusing your stately/plan with your actual need. Remember that all humans have the same needs. Not all humans have a need for money to buy medicine for a spouse. But we do have the need for the health of our loved ones.

I actually love the use of the term need with NVC, because it helps us relate to other humans at a life promoting level. The idea of physical needs is to get needs fulfilled to sustain and promote life. The same is true with metaphysical needs.

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The Philosophy of Freedom/Libertarianism/Doctrine of free will / Re: Philosophical reasoning of ownership?? Ontology and Cosmology

« on: June 25, 2016, 07:13:59 PM »

Ok, so then when does a person have ownership of him/herself? At birth, 2y/o, 8y/o, when the person is self sufficient,age of accountability...?

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The Philosophy of Freedom/Libertarianism/Doctrine of free will / Re: Moral Theory of Non-aggression

« on: June 23, 2016, 11:10:46 PM »

I'm loving the suggested steps with forgiveness and mercy being the cornerstone, not justice. With the extreme cases, how about an "Australia- exile" concept? The resolution teams provide basic survival skills to the offender, and exile him/ her to an island with the tools they need for survival. This could be a colony of exiles eventually if there are enough offenders, and they would be free to live as they please on their island. Thoughts?

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The Philosophy of Freedom/Libertarianism/Doctrine of free will / Philosophical reasoning of ownership?? Ontology and Cosmology

« on: June 22, 2016, 12:46:27 PM »

From what little I've read about libertarianism, the NAP, and even this website, one of the foundational beliefs is that of ownership, primarily that a human owns him/herself. What is this ideology based upon? As life forms on this planet, we are all interconnected with the planet, its resources, and all the life forms therein. People are byproducts of other people. (They didn't create themselves.) Their parents were likewise byproducts of theirs, and so on. This is leads us into the cosmological argument (causation). Ultimately the argument leads to the beginning of the planet, the solar system, the Galaxy, the universe, and all matter. At this point we arrive with two options: matter was created by an entity of non-matter (deity), or the belief of ex nihilo (out of nothing). So ownership would ultimately lie with whichever option you choose, either God owns everything, or nothing does (ownership doesn't exist.)


To sustain life, people consume other biomaterial (life) and utilize the natural resources around them. But does simply using/ utilizing something confer ownership of the thing? If so, what constitutes use? Is building a house both a use of the materials for the house and the land on which it dwells? If so, then once it is built, must someone actively be dwelling in it for it to be theirs? So if someone else moves in while you are at the store, tough luck... So obviously the idea of use applies to everything outside the person. But does it apply to the person too? If the person does nothing (brain dead and on life support) do they have ownership, or are they owned by the people running the machines? Everyone else's use of person is also a use of the planet at large, as we are all interconnected and interdependent for sustainment of life. So the planet uses all the things on/ in the planet... Tying ownership to utilization appears to fail too, or at least lead to the cosmological argument once again.

Ok, whatcha think friends?

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The Philosophy of Freedom/Libertarianism/Doctrine of free will / Re: Moral Theory of Non-aggression

« on: June 21, 2016, 09:31:56 PM »

"People have long used punishment as an excuse to violate others in order to control them. When someone seeks punishment, they are not seeking justice. Punishment is merely violence with a bad excuse. The threat of punishment is governments’ primary motivator. Governments cannot threaten us with justice. The purpose of punishment is to induce suffering so the threat of suffering can be used to control us."

Adam Kokesh in his book Freedom

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The Philosophy of Freedom/Libertarianism/Doctrine of free will / Re: Moral Theory of Non-aggression

« on: June 21, 2016, 05:38:24 PM »

Morality is a belief that there is such things as right and wrong/ good and evil. Holding this belief says you are the judge of what is right and wrong, in essence claiming your own unimpeachable authority/ deity.

Saying that survival is the only morality... Are you saying continuing to live is good and discontinuing life is bad? Don't the changing of the seasons debunk this theory? Our planet and it's ecosystems work cyclically with times of birth, growth, production, reproduction, death, and rebirth.

When we assert that we can judge what is good and bad, what makes our judgements more valid than another person's. Even the suggested theory of survival morality fails to be universal as many people and cultures celebrate when things and people die.

As far as trying to enforce responsibilities, that's government by definition. We can try and dress it up nice and put lipstick on it, but it's still a pig.

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Living FREEDOM! / Harmonious thriving communities

« on: June 21, 2016, 10:17:59 AM »

I'm fully on board with the plan to eliminate government and live freely with the people in my communities. Can anyone cite an existing harmonious thriving community or one that has existed under self governance? And if so, please provide specifics or links for more info.

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Living FREEDOM! / Education ideas

« on: June 21, 2016, 10:14:11 AM »

What are your ideas on education? I know self learning is huge, and mediums like khan academy and AppleU provide resources. I have a friend in Ardmore, OK who is involved in an interesting education venture. They promote localism, community, volunteerism, and kids learning what they want how they want. Check them out here for a more comprehensive look:

https://www.facebook.com/ardmoreindependent/

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The Philosophy of Freedom/Libertarianism/Doctrine of free will / Re: Moral Theory of Non-aggression

« on: June 21, 2016, 09:21:23 AM »

People don't grant other people rights, positive or negative. All people innately have all the same rights. And morality is a facade. Check out Adam's link on NVC in another post.

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Activism projects/Strategy/Winning Converts / Re: Spread the freedom butter everywhere

« on: June 20, 2016, 10:34:05 PM »

Use of a QR code to add to the stencil idea, or stickers, or magnets for cars, public trash cans, etc.

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The Philosophy of Freedom/Libertarianism/Doctrine of free will / Re: Moral Theory of Non-aggression

« on: June 20, 2016, 10:26:32 PM »

Magnanimous, I agree with everything u just said except for the use of the word obligated. If instead we use the word responsible for, I believe that would be honest. Obligation implies a demand is being imposed. If a demand is being imposed, then there is a threat of punishment if the demand isn't met satisfactorily.

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Cryptocurrency / Re: Bitcoin, a distributed, worldwide, decentralized digital money.

« on: June 20, 2016, 10:20:49 PM »

Adam, in your live stream this evening you mentioned opting out of the dollar. What did you mean by that, and how can we start doing so today?

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Living FREEDOM! / Re: Nonviolent Communication

« on: June 20, 2016, 08:59:13 PM »

I watched the video and am in the process of reading the book. My family and I started using this form of communication today. I saw my kids communicating with each other at a heart level instead of just bickering. I saw my wife light up as she received love from them and me.

Adam, I'm confused as to how the NAP and NVC can operate together, because the NAP is based on morality, and the NVC transcends morality. I fear that you may not see this entanglement, because I want you and the message of Freedom to thrive. Please articulate how you see the NAP and NVC can work hand in hand, or if they can't, then why not.

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The Philosophy of Freedom/Libertarianism/Doctrine of free will / Re: Moral Theory of Non-aggression

« on: June 19, 2016, 04:12:55 PM »

Or the theory of non aggression and morality. I disagree parents have ownership of their children. They have responsibility for the child, but not ownership of him/her.

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Living FREEDOM! / Spirituality

« on: June 19, 2016, 01:14:15 PM »

Adam what is your philosophical worldview on anthroplogy, specifically regarding spirituality? Some specific questions to jump start the conversation:

What is the essence of a human?
Does that composition include a spirit or soul?
If so, Do see a distinction between a spirit and soul?
Are there other spirits/ spiritual beings in existence?
If so, is one of those beings the divine/ God?
If so, can we as humans know this God, or know other spiritual beings in spiritual ways?
If so, how?

Feel free to answer any or all, or just give some insight into your views pleas.