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Adam's YouTube Channel / Re: Kokesh endorses McAfee
« on: May 21, 2016, 02:28:09 AM »
Matt,

I'm having trouble understanding exactly what you're arguing against. Do you have a problem with John McAfee, the Libertarian Party, or voting in general?
You're bringing up some good points, but let's narrow it down some more.

If it is one of the three or a combination thereof, what are the core principles that it, him, or they, violate?

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Adam's YouTube Channel / Re: Adam Fails
« on: May 21, 2016, 01:45:20 AM »
Wild Hope, great questions. And great points, Magnaniman. Let me push these topics another step forward.

To address your first concern, about the loss of law enforcement as a deterrent to crime, sure, some people probably would take advantage of a situation where other people were completely unorganized with no means of protecting themselves.  However, thinking of police as the only means of protection, and that security, as a concept, is only possible with a government, is silly.

I think that using community-organizing systems such as Cell 411 will allow people to feel - and actually be - secure against threats of violence or intrusion. However, this type of system must be tried, tested, and virtually ubiquitous well ahead of the time they are actually needed in the instance of an economic collapse or any disruption to the current protection-racket paradigm. If a community is not organized enough to protect itself, the only alternative is to hire private security. To me private security seems like a euphemism for mercenary, especially in a stateless society, but maybe that's not the case??

I think one of the major hidden costs of a peaceful transition would be economic upheaval.  Without a government propping up and defending the major moneyed interests, they will collapse.  In the short term, that will cause a large deal of unemployment, foreclosures, scarcity of resources, inability to distribute available resources, and other related problems.  In the long term, those problems will be dealt with because the barriers preventing people from undertaking those tasks will be gone as well.  However, there is a large potential for harm that must be addressed to prevent cities from collapsing into diseased, starving battle grounds.

So much to unpack here...  barriers will be removed, but with total freedom comes a new level of responsibility. Questions will arise, like what type currency to use in lieu of the fractional reserve banking system. These matters must be thought out beforehand, by all people participating in the market.

At that rate, what about state governments? Impositions such as licensing, minimum wage, and sales tax are not guaranteed to go away even without federal law intact.

Another hidden cost will be losing a large degree of luxury that we currently take for granted.  Our economy, like every empire, is based on slavery and military domination.  Without slaves across the world to manufacture our goods, and resources stolen from other people, we will have to "tighten our belts" and learn to live with buying fewer fancy gadgets, exotic foods, and new clothes.  I believe that we will be able to return to a comparable availability of goods over time, but the short term consequences of morality will be difficult.

Elimination of government does not guarantee moral behavior, although unanimous moral awareness is definitely something to strive for. What you draw to attention best in this citation, Magnaniman, is that rampant consumerism distracts the individual from what is really important in life. While consumerism itself is not a problem localized to just the USA, it's another paradigm I believe we as Americans are intellectually well-equipped to overcome with enough time.


Again this is all great food-for-thought, and exactly what we need to be doing on this forum. Great thread, although the subject line "Adam Fails" is less than optimistic. :-\ Nonetheless, there is much to explore. Wild Hope's initial question really tips over the dominoes, here.

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FREEDOM! the book / Re: For Further Reading
« on: May 16, 2016, 03:26:29 PM »
Will do, Adam.

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FREEDOM! the book / Re: For Further Reading
« on: May 12, 2016, 12:18:11 PM »
Another great book is Liberty Defined by Jim Limber Davis - very similar to FREEDOM! in its streamlined, conversational approach.

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Welcome, Steven! I just read Statism Is A Religion on your blog. Glad to hear you ditched the minarchist title to go full AnCap. Don't forget to stick around and add to the discourse here on the FREEDOM! forums.

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Did Gary Johnson just say that Americans are too stupid to understand the NAP?

However, Darryl Perry's response at the start of the video was right on point.



I'd like to recommend Stefan Molyneux's book, How Not To Achieve Freedom, which outlines in detail the inefficacy of libertarianism as a political movement.

The full book is only about 60 pages - available here: http://www.fdrurl.com/HNTAFPDF

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Living FREEDOM! / Peacekeeper: the app that will replace police.
« on: May 11, 2016, 03:52:52 PM »
http://peacekeeper.org/vision/

Peacekeeper will allow for self-organization of community-wide self defense and emergency response.

Can individuals protect themselves and their community? Certainly!
Can the idea catch on and become a mass movement? And if so, how soon?

I would love to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

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FREEDOM! the book / Re: For Further Reading
« on: May 11, 2016, 02:38:33 PM »
Stefan Molyneux's work (almost) goes without saying, but I'll mention some of his free ebooks that pertain closest to the topics covered in FREEDOM!

On Truth: The Tyranny of Illusion, Universally Preferable Behaviour (UPB): A Rational Proof of Secular Ethics, and Real-Time Relationships: The Logic of Love

While at times a bit wordy, I think that these 3 draw striking parallels between mental slavery and the statist paradigm.


Also, I'd like to suggest The Four Agreements: A Practical Guide to Personal Freedom by Don Miguel Ruiz. At its core this book draws attention to the social conditioning present in the mind of every human, which at this point in history unavoidably contains more than enough statist components to make your head spin. Actually, all 3 of the above Molyneux books touch on principles covered in The Four Agreements, but Ruiz's writing style is much more heart-resonant - carrying a distinct advantage when dealing with such personal issues.

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Living FREEDOM! / Re: Nonviolent Communication
« on: May 11, 2016, 02:41:09 AM »
...JUST linked your 'would-be-bully' confrontation video in another thread, attributing your success to empathy. At least, that's the short answer to nonviolent communication. Can't wait to see what Rosenberg brings to light in this seminar. Thanks!

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International Support / Re: Australia in the house!
« on: May 11, 2016, 02:30:21 AM »
I was lucky enough to visit many Australian cities last year while performing music on a cruise ship! We even had a huge bash on board for Aussie Day, and I really felt a genuine welcome from the locals.

I also learned that voting is compulsory in Australia... kind of like healthcare in the USA, I suppose.

Anyway, good to have your support!

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Activism projects/Strategy/Winning Converts / Re: Logic deniers
« on: May 11, 2016, 02:16:05 AM »
One debating strategy that I've found effective, when dealing with individuals, is to keep coming back to issues that we agree on so they don't think of me as an enemy.  When I feel like I'm starting to lose them, I'll go back to emphasize our common ground and rebuild my arguments from there, trying to draw parallels between issues we agree on and issues we disagree on.

Excellent advice. I recall seeing Adam using this type of strategy here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv9u6Eh8wHs

It really isn't a "strategy," though. It's empathy! Empathy is what bridges the gap between delusional altruistic statism and truly uncompromised nonviolence.

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Rage Against The Machine is the perfect example of lyrics that are up-front and to-the-point.

I would like to suggest a couple of songs by a band called "3." While the writer is lyrically more subtle, the songs have the potential to come off as less preachy. Not saying that we don't need in-your-face anthems - the BackWordz track Adam posted is right on the money!

3 - Dogs Of War https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwJclY-LKIU
3 - Soul To Sell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYa81nmuMKU

Sometimes the most effective songs, in message, are the ones that can be subtle and "fly under the radar," if you will. Really, it's a spectrum of forwardness.

I'd say a FREEDOM! playlist is in order. What else can we add in here?

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