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MattATatTat:
I gotta admit that I have trouble with the fact that Adam spends a lot of time talking about moving past the idea we need government with a new Voluntaryist mindset, yet doesn't see a problem supporting someone who wants to use the illusion of authority through Government (even as limited as McAfee wants it) to tell me how to live my life...again, even as limited as he suggests it will encroach on people.

I can understand the desire to use a presidential campaign as Adam wants to in 2020 to spread the message of Voluntarism (more as a tool of education), but to support someone who believes in the system of government (as limited as it may be) comes off a little hypocritical.

Just my opinion...

Magnaniman:
I completely disagree.

I don't believe that reality is that polarized.  White or black.  Authoritarian or libertarian.  Enslaved or free.  There are many degrees and facets of control that our government claims over us.  I agree that none is best, but I also believe that less is better than more.

To move towards a free society, among other things, I will support people and policies that limit government, which I will continue to do until government is gone.

MattATatTat:
If morally you view government as being "immoral"... are you willing to put aside your morals to justify a method in achieving a particular goal?

Simply put...how can you support a system you claim is immoral and still claim to be in-line with being a "moral" person?

Magnaniman:
As I just said, I don't categorize everything into one of two polarized opposites.  There are many shades of grey in the world and nothing is purely good or evil.  There are benefits to despotism, just as there are negatives in voluntarism.  I know that there is no single best way for all people to live and what is best for some people at one point in time may or may not continue to be good for them as time passes.

I support systems that are *MORE* moral than what we have, that will allow us to transition into truly moral interactions.  More freedom is better than less freedom.  Yes, absolute freedom is the best, but that belief will not stop me from advocating for more freedom than what we have now.

AndrewG:

--- Quote from: Magnaniman on May 18, 2016, 04:47:16 PM ---As I just said, I don't categorize everything into one of two polarized opposites.  There are many shades of grey in the world and nothing is purely good or evil.
--- End quote ---

Really? Nothing purely evil or good? I'll give you that that may well be true most of the time, but if you don't think that the people who people who orchestrated 9/11 or Sandy Hook or any one of 100 other staged events were full of pure malevolent intent (whoever they might have been), I fear that with that mindset we are far away from the mark of truly freeing anyone, including ourselves. For a person I've noticed is willing to move forward at a barely perceptible rate of growth concerning the removal of these terrorists, you sure did speak in an absolute right there.

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